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8ca938a9 anonymous 2012-11-17 23:16

>>cb40f7e8
報告遅れたが鳥さん買った、解禁時に
おまけでオリジナルトートバッグ、オリジナルコルクマウスパッド、つくもたんクリアファイル（99で買ったから）をゲット
HDD10％引きもついでに行使

A10-5800KとF2A85-M (A75の機能で十分だったんだけどつい買ったw）
とりあえずWin8の評価版入れて使ってる

e2956f79 anonymous 2012-11-24 09:41

CPUを(物理的な方法以外で)早く壊す方法知りませんか？
買い換えたいけど買い換えられない。今そんな状態なんです。

9616c26e anonymous 2012-11-24 21:14

>>e2956f79
cpuburnを冷却のいいかげんな状態で連続稼働させる。
死ぬ寸前までオーバークロックするとなお効果的。

455dc268 anonymous 2012-11-24 22:57

>>9616c26e
もちろん喝入れでね

18b41067 anonymous 2012-11-25 12:24

北米ではタブレットの出荷台数がノートPCを上回るという予測が先ごろでたばかりだが、
いよいよもってメーカ側も危機感を表にしてきたようだ。

intelが自作向けCPU販売を終了へ
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/20121122_574440.html

すでにだいぶ縮小している自作市場だが、それでも全てを好きなパーツで揃えられる事や、
ハイエンドではやっぱりまだまだ自作PCな事を考えると、残念でならない。

337a64cd anonymous 2012-12-10 13:37

>>18b41067
誤報だった模様。

Intelは最近の噂を否定し、今後も交換可能なCPU製品をLGA（Land grid array）パッケージで供給・販売し続けるとともに、現時点で予見できる将来においては
BGA（Ball grid array）で半田付けされた製品のみとすることはないと述べた。


Intel to Support CPU Sockets for Foreseeable Future – Company.（X-bit labs）
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20121205214540_Intel_to_Support_CPU_Sockets_for_Foreseeable_Future_Company.html

Intel denies BGA-only processor plan rumours（bit-tech.net）
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/12/06/intel-denies-bga/1

Intel to Provide Socketed CPUs for "The Foreseeable Future"（techPowerUp!）
http://www.techpowerup.com/176721/Intel-to-Provide-Socketed-CPUs-for-quot-The-Foreseeable-Future-quot-.html

Intel to Provide Socketed CPUs for "The Foreseeable Future" （Guru3D）
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_to_provide_socketed_cpus_for_the_foreseeable_future.html

Intel committed to socketed CPUs（Fudzilla）
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/29734-intel-committed-to-socketed-cpus

Intel Says Company Committed to Sockets（Maximum PC）
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_says_company_committed_sockets2012

f7d814d5 anonymous 2012-12-13 01:06

>>337a64cd
確かに、パッケージングの違いでしかないのなら、需要があればやるだろうけどね。
一般コンシューマ向けのCPUにLGAが必要かどうかは微妙だし。
「自作派は高性能版のXEON系だけ使ってください」ってのはアリだと思うよ。

b867ad44 anonymous 2012-12-13 17:55 1355388901.jpg (81KB)

>>8ca938a9
評価版で納得したので買った
この転送グラフはいったい・・・帯域制御？

6bdffd1f anonymous 2012-12-13 17:56

>>b867ad44
ちなみにWin8評価版からだとチェックではねられて購入にすら進めなかったので7を一時的に入れた

9781ab23 anonymous 2012-12-27 16:55

デスクのHDDが逝ったあああああああああああああああああああああああああ
震災直後に買ったのがよくなかったのか、お別れは突然に、だな

e6bec408 anonymous 2012-12-27 18:39

>>9781ab23
バァァァァァァァァァァァァァァァァァァァッッッックアァァァァァァァッッッッッップゥから、
リィィィィィィィィィィィーストアァァァァァァァァァァッするダァーーーーーーーーーーー！

82463318 anonymous 2012-12-27 22:34

サムスンのHDDがリードだけ10MB/sぐらいになってしまうという謎現象が起きた(勝手2年ぐらいは普通に使えてた)が
違うマザーにつないだら正常動作
サムスンクオリティなのか？
問題の起きたマザーに他のHDDを繋げば正常動作するのでおそらくマザーの故障ではない

70aca1f1 anonymous 2012-12-28 12:45

>>82463318
プロトコルアクセスするタイプのデバイスはみんな相性問題が出る可能性あるので。
自作'erなら「相性が悪かったんだね」の一言で済ましてしまうような問題だろうね。
Intelみたいな鉄板の安定動作を誇るデバイスで固めて組むのでない限り、
どこかで相性問題が出てもおかしくはない。

サムスンの…とか言われても分からんから、
詳しい型番チェックして特定のロットのファームウェアに問題があったりしないか
情報を確認してみたほうがいいと思うよ。HDDによっては、特殊なツールで
ファームウェアの不具合をアップデートして対処できる製品あるそうだ。

自分は、やったことないけどなー

f95a3386 anonymous 2012-12-29 08:37

>>70aca1f1
HD204UIですわ。ライトキャッシュを忘れるファームバグが有って公式ファームアップしてある
でも表示上のバージョンナンバーは変わらなかった
データロストは起きていないのでその問題に関しては解決したのだと思う

問題の起きた構成でもしばらくは正常に使えてた
ケーブル変えたり、OSを入れなおしてみたりもした
問題の起きたマザーはASUS P8H61-M LE で 今正常に使えてるマザーはASUS F2A85-M
それ以外のマザーでも正常に使えることは確認されている

ぶっちゃけ現状に不満はないので解決はしなくてもいいんだが、謎現象だよなーと
特定の環境下でリードキャッシュが無効になってしまう相性問題。ということかも？

70abe256 anonymous 2012-12-29 14:37

新品の時には起きてなかった不具合、となると、ディフェクトセクタがらみかもしれんよ。
PCからのアクセスではバッドセクタなど存在していないことになってるけど、
実際にはディフェクトセクタを使って隠蔽してるだけだからね。

54530cf9 anonymous 2012-12-30 00:26

>>70abe256
それなら発生後に他のマザーにつなぎ替えても問題起きるんじゃない？

848b7f64 anonymous 2013-01-07 14:41

PCパーツ買うなら今だぞ〜
どんどん値上がりしているから。円安で。

69c276f6 anonymous 2013-01-07 19:02

>>848b7f64
年末メモリ底値で買っておいて正解だった。

8cbb1e33 anonymous 2013-01-07 19:31

円安なんてあっというまだな。

6c38d16b anonymous 2013-01-08 12:19

>>54530cf9
問題が起きたマザーに最近繋ぎ直したら現象は起きなかった
そのマシンで構成が変わったのは電源なので、電源が原因だったと推測される

976993e1 anonymous 2013-01-08 23:51

>>6c38d16b
電源ねぇ。ディジタルにそんなもん関係あるのかねぇ。

aa82478c anonymous 2013-01-09 13:37

>>976993e1
高速ディジタル回路は論理的に考えても予想できないような
アナログ的動作の部分が大きくなるので影響を無視できない。

0b62aba7 anonymous 2013-01-24 15:07

インテル、デスクトップPC向けマザーボード事業を段階的に縮小へ
http://japan.cnet.com/news/business/35027246/

さあこれで自作機市場は縮小していく事が決定づけられたわけだ。
さまざまなイノベーションの牽引役となってきた自由な市場はなくなり、
今後は組み込み系の小型コンピュータがメインストリームとなっていくんだろう。

自作ユーザとしては寂しい限りである。

54d7f7c3 anonymous 2013-01-27 03:55

でも、自作は既に寂れてる気がするんだよなぁ

a9b4dfb3 anonymous 2013-01-27 12:18

>>54d7f7c3
そうなんだけど、タブレットPCの出荷台数がノートPCを抜く事が決定的になた今、
さらに加速されていくというか・・・
ハードのイノベーションの主戦場が小型機器になってしまうのが寂しいというか。

66f2bf10 anonymous 2013-01-27 14:51

マザーボードメーカーとしてのインテルは結局、
そこいらにあるブランドの一つでしかなくなってたんだとさ。
「鉄板の安定性＋自社ブランドの専用設計で高性能」
という図式は、結局当てはまらなかったわけだ。

需要減もそうだが、コスト体質的に他のメーカーと勝負できなくなったので
インテルは撤退という話らしい。

ネットワークカードに関して言えば、インテルは高性能と共に鉄板の安定性を誇るし、
それが標準装備のマザーボードとなるとインテルのマザーだったわけで、
そういう理由で選択するユーザはそれなりにいたようだね。

e654b225 anonymous 2013-01-28 16:38

これからのPCってのは、スマホやタブレットに向けたコンテンツを作成するための
ちょっと特殊なオーサリングマシンとしての用途に特化していくんだろうな。
パワフルなデスクトップパソコンがあっちこっちで必要とされる時代はもう終わってさ。
ゲームなんて特殊用途もいいとこなんだし。

既にワークステーションが閉塞した市場の中でコストパフォーマンスの悪い専用機を
売りながら苦しい戦いを長らく続けてきたように、パソコンもそのうち仲間入りをするのだと思う。

df1df21e anonymous 2013-01-28 19:19

ただ、スマホやタブレットPCはコンテンツを消費する側で、
コンテンツを生み出す機材ではないんだよね。
そんなわけで今度もデスクトップPCの需要は問題ないけど、自作市場はなあ・・・

622fc8e1 anonymous 2013-01-29 02:35

ところで、みんなパソコンで何してんの？
プログラム？

87d12456 anonymous 2013-01-29 13:10

>>622fc8e1
仕事。趣味でコード書いたり。
動画観たり、音楽プレーヤー 化したり。
もちろん鯖動かしてたり。

e07c3049 anonymous 2013-01-29 16:04

>>df1df21e
GPS付いて、カメラがあって動画も撮れて、YouTubeにすぐアップローできるスマホが
コンテンツを消費するだけの機材であるはずがない。

f4b21e81 anonymous 2013-01-29 19:03

>>e07c3049
 タブレットPCで製作された映画とか音楽とか有名なのあるの？
あるいはタブレットPCだけで執筆している作家とかいるの？
そういう話をしてるんだけど。

商品を売るためのセールストークに乗せられてコンテンツを作った気になっている
一般大衆の話じゃなくて。

9609c8b9 anonymous 2013-01-30 20:46

>>f4b21e81
> コンテンツを生み出す機材ではないんだよね。

これに対する答えなんだから
むやみに議論の泥沼に持ち込んでほしくない。

17e6abdd anonymous 2013-02-05 19:57

円安基調なんでそろそろSSD買うかなあ。

7c0f574b anonymous 2013-02-07 09:17

ガソリンが高くなりまくってて困る。
移動にカネがかかってしょうがない。

9a4b5419 anonymous 2013-02-20 19:09

>>ca506783
パソコンは元々サーバーや機器につなぐための端末に計算機能を持たせたもので
それ自体がサーバークライアントモデルの最適な形になってますんで
パソコンが廃れる事はないと思う

95574791 anonymous 2013-02-21 18:10

>>9a4b5419
それは違うだろう。

Apple　IやIIは最初から完全なパソコンとなるべく作られていたし、
IBM-PCも最初から端末にならないように作られていた。
自社の端末製造事業部門に影響が出ては困るという判断によるものだ。

初代PCが4.77MHz動作の8088なんていう妙に遅いCPUを搭載したのも
完全16Bit設計の8086が高性能すぎて危ないので採用を見送ったからだぞ。
自社のミニコン並みに高性能だから、採用するとミニコン事業に影響が出るのでマズかった。

端末エミュレータソフトウェアを搭載した3270PCとかは、後から出てきたモノであって
最初からあったわけではない。

a70a7f74 anonymous 2013-02-21 22:12

スマホやタブレットじゃ、何もする気にならん
触ってて安心感が無い。
外出用はMBA、家では自作。2年前に買ったガラクタスマホなぞ電話専用に成り下がっている。
あうiphone5が値下げしたようだが。それでも5sにも食指が動くかどうか。

18d2a268 anonymous 2013-02-23 16:59

Pentium G620からセロリンG1610に換装
体感の速度差はない
しかし、アイドル2Wしか変わらなかった
TDPは10W違うわけだから双方ぶん回せばそれぐらい違うのかもだけど、そういう使用状況ではないんで

72b6db4b anonymous 2013-02-26 07:59

>>9616c26e
そんなデマどこで吹き込まれたんだ？
バカか？

81de2739 anonymous 2013-05-20 18:48

haswell来月なのかぁ

835884fa anonymous 2013-05-30 15:18

隔週で掲載しておりましたCPU・HDD/SSD・メモリ最安値情報ですが、今週掲載分をもちまして終了とさせていただきます。
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/hotline/20130525/p_hdd.html

どんどん自作市場は縮小に・・・

eeed15d1 anonymous 2013-06-02 06:41

新世代デスクトップCPU「Core i7-4770K」をベンチマーク
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/feature/20130602_601853.html

ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━ｯ!!

fa19dd6d anonymous 2013-08-28 16:59

SCSIカードをTekram DC-390FからLSI Logic LSI20320IEに換装したぜー
やっとこれでPCIカードとオサラバだぜっ

ee559ff7 anonymous 2013-08-29 13:31

自作ユーザとしてはAMDがハイスペックCPU競争から降りてしまったのが残念だったなあ。
省電力では最初から勝目もなかったしなあ。

次の買い替えはIntel買うかあ。無駄に高いけど。

43adec54 anonymous 2013-08-29 16:40

>>ee559ff7
G1610で安く済ませるというのも手かも？

ebc7ea0a anonymous 2013-09-04 05:29

秋葉原
　情弱どもが
　　ゆめのあと

fafdb9f8 anonymous 2013-09-14 09:14 1379117655.jpg (96KB)

ケースファン余ってたからUSBファン作った
トイレの換気扇にしたる

7f801026 anonymous 2013-09-14 11:51

>>fafdb9f8
GJ

d63a09f9 anonymous 2013-09-14 11:54

オリンピックに向けて秋葉原の猥雑な広告は規制されるらしい

1818a115 anonymous 2013-09-14 14:35

髙橋敏也のパーツ・パラダイス #125　面白いからぜひやって頂きたい!!
http://video.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/parts/20130912_614996.html
最終回

ae281ada anonymous 2013-09-15 11:40

うーん・・・まあ、もとの電気街になるってことは歓迎だけど（メイド喫茶とかいらないし）エロゲとか規制されるのはちょっと

ed90b1ed anonymous 2013-09-27 16:06

部屋模様替えして気づいたけどTWELVE HUNDREDって15kgあるじゃんよ・・・
どうしてポチった5年前の俺orz

c0562b83 anonymous 2013-10-07 18:16

うーむどうやら､2600k焼いちゃったっぽい(通算2度目)｡
冷却はしっかりしなきゃね〜｡

7c623827 anonymous 2013-10-08 00:58

>>c0562b83
オーバークロックでもしてたの？
私はしたことないなあ。仕事で使うからド安定指向。

bfac6cff anonymous 2013-11-08 00:05

気が付けば、CPUは4GHz行ってるんだね。
今2.7GHzだから、冬のボーナスでケースの中身全部入れ直そう。
予想通りにボーナス出ればの話だけれど。

そいや今までキーボードは品揃えに定評のあったクレバリーで
調達していたのだけれど、クレバリーの後釜になるような良い店って
ありますか？秋葉限定で。

19c24192 anonymous 2013-11-08 14:28

>>bfac6cff
今PCに求められるのは積極的な省電力機構。
パワー自体は一般デスクトップ用途ならもう飽和しちゃってるからねえ。

546cf5ca anonymous 2013-11-09 00:43

>>bfac6cff
秋葉原でキーボードの品揃えのよい店というと。。。
ヨドバシカメラじゃないかなぁ。
ネオテックは通販専門になった模様。たぶんここがそう→http://www.neotec.co.jp/

519d4de7 bfac6cff 2013-11-12 19:17

>>19c24192
　そうなの？
　確かに可変クロックとかかなり熟成しているみたいですが。
　それよりも、FirefoxがFLASH広告が多いページを開くと20～30秒
停止する勢いで重いのですが、それを体験してまだまだパワー不足
だなあ・・・とか思っちゃったのですが(^^;;;

>>546cf5ca
　情報有り難うございます。
　大型販売店がベストと言うのも、電気街の衰退を感じますね。
　時代だなあ。

300528ef anonymous 2013-11-13 01:20

>>519d4de7
最新の構成でそんなに固まることある？
なんかソフトウェア的なところでボトルネックになっているとしか思えないのだが・・・

0a54499a anonymous 2013-11-13 01:39

最近のそこそこのＰＣで固まるページって逆に見てみたい気がする・・・

ac09af64 anonymous 2013-11-20 11:31

Bitcoinマイニングに特化したマザーボードが登場
http://gigazine.net/news/20131119-asrock-bitcoin-motherboard/

変態はどの時代も変態だった

e746d0cc anonymous 2013-11-20 14:33

>>ac09af64
うーん調べてみると、投資家が動き始めているようだね。
すでに素人には手が出せないレベルにいってしまったようだ。

専用ハード↓
http://gigazine.net/news/20131021-bitcoin-mining-as-arms-race/

14acf789 anonymous 2013-11-20 14:37

>>ac09af64
>>e746d0cc
という事ですでにGPUクラスタは時代遅れなのであった。ちゃんちゃん。

7a54369a anonymous 2013-11-20 15:28

マルチコアマシンが欲しい！

a99442e3 anonymous 2013-11-28 10:28

OCZ(´・ω・`)

b6ccee78 519d4de7 2013-12-19 23:09

>>300528ef
　言われて改めてFirefoxを精査していたのですが、どうやらDownloadHelperが
悪さしていたみたいです。　外したら数秒で作業終了するようになりました。
　HTMLレンダリング中に、何度もダウンロードアイテムを探しているとか、なのかなあ。
　でも代替XPIをまだ見付けていないので、必要な時にはオンにして使ってます・・・。

>>0a54499a
　XPからVISTA頃のマザーなんで、御世辞にも最近のPCじゃないんです。

e0e04e59 anonymous 2014-05-09 07:10

もしかしてこのスレ、スパムの爆撃に合ってます？

231969d4 anonymous 2014-06-26 21:49

http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gM-06931/
いま、こいつで新月動かしてサーバにしてる。

SDカードからOSブートしてるんだが、SDカードにcacheを置くとSDカードがすぐ死ぬので、USB接続でHDDをつないでマウントしている。
PCより圧倒的に省電力なのでお試しあれ。

85230db9 anonymous 2014-07-01 20:19

今現在PhenomII X6 1055T そろそろ4年になるんで買い替えようかなあ。いや全然性能に文句はないんだけどね。
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